Music Theory

Well first off, I showed off my “skillz” because I thought you were trying to brag about yours even though I distinctly remember you saying you have a hard time with identifying things. Not only that, but France doesn’t have a kind. Secondly I know because of reasoning. Legally, I can track the ip address (not street address) of any packet of information which get’s sent to my computer, and you don’t have an ip address based in any French government official building or any home of any French government official.

I am the secret king, the one they implemented back in the french revolution(the revolution was just a ploy to make them thing they were self ruling), So they gave me immortality so they would have some consistency. Yeah so the only real way to work that is having me drink the blood and life energy out of the peasants. And they finally gave me a musician to eat, which obviously makes this possible.

Now bow to the Secret King of France!

But what’s the point of being a king if know one knows your a king? No one would listen to you. Maybe it’s just me, but your logic seems kind of faulty there. Also they didn’t have genetic engineering to create immortality during the French Revolution.

You should really make a new topic to discuss secret kings and immortality elsewhere.

Well if that’s the only thing we are talking about, there’s nothing better to talk about that we haven’t already discussed which would fit in this topic.

ok back to music theory:
Remember kids the second and sixth of any minor scale and the fourth and seventh of any major scale forms a tritone.
also note that because B and F are 6 semitones apart they count as tritones as well thus you will notice their tonal difference.

Because of this, use an II chord in a minor scale only if you want dissonance, and a VII chord in a major scale only for the same purpose.

This only applies to the natural major/minor if you are discussing the harmonic versions the tritones are as follows:
On the harmonic major: fourth and seventh as before, and the second and sixth
On the harmonic minor: the same intervals cause tritones relative to the base note

For Melodic scales:
Melodic Minor: third and sixth, fourth and seventh
Melodic Major: Is complicated and I am not sure if the information is correct, but from what I gather the tritones are formed by the tonic and fourth and the second and fifth.

Hungarian:
Minor: between the tonic and fourth
Major: tonic and fourth, second and sixth

All Hail Your Secret King Of France. :mrgreen:

I don’t think anyone asked about any of that. Also you aren’t really giving us ANY information on Hungarian scales. On top of all that, how could anyone hail a king if its a secret? They couldn’t.
The Actual formula for Hungarian minor is W H 1½ H H 1½ H
Hungarian major is: 1½ H W H W H W

A tritone is usable for any scale… for C it is F#…

Also tritones sound good when you follow with a minor third, B+F → C+E.

my guess is becuase a minor third is half of a tritone.

I was listing tritones that are contained within a given scale, the only minor scale that can use that for example is Bb minor, and C is the second tone and F# is the sixth.

here is what I mean:
The notes in red contain a tritone in the scale
A minor: A, B, C, D, E, F, G
D minor: D, E, F, G, A, Bb, C
F# minor: F#, G#, A, B, C#, D, E
if you notice the second and sixth notes are always the ones highlighted.

That is because of conflict resolution, it also works when followed by a Perfect 5th or 4th

First, no one asked you to make that reply, I just wanted to say what I knew so people could use it. Second, I did not intend to explain the structure of any of these scales, I was merely listing which intervals of the scale formed tritones with each other. And yeah I switched Hungarian Major and Minor, just a typo.

And my power as king extents beyond your understanding MORTAL. btw i was joking with that king of France thing, did you think i was serious?

Muse, in a scale, the dominant is the V (for C is G, for F is C, etc)
On the CMajor scale, The G7 chord has a tritone (GBDF)
So, if you play a G7 chord, and, then, a CM chord; you’ll have a good ending for the song.
It effect is used in the ending of Toreador, by G.Bizet

Also note that a tritone followed by a major third (the lower note aug1St, and the higher note dim1St), it has the same (or similar) effect:
B+F-B#+Fb (C+E → CMajor)
G+Db - G#+C (Ab+C → AbMajor)
It effect is used in the intro of Tritsch tratsch polka, by J.Strauss (But with two 16th notes)

Other effect is play a Minor triad, followed by a Major triad, augmented in a tone:
Gm → AM (on jijiji, by the “Patricio rey y sus redonditos de ricota” At min 2’20’’, in the bridge)
Fm → GM (on Still unnamed song, by ME )
The effect is in the III grade (If is Gm → AM, the effect is Bb → C#) there’s a augmented second interval.
But this effect isn’t good for an ending

Here, the examples:

I’m glad someone finally gets it.

Why is everyone making a big deal out of tritones? They can be used to make a very very good flowing song. What you can do is to a sub-dominant that’s a first inversion major chord, go to diminished chord, resolve outward to the first and third (in a major scale), etc.

I don’t hate tritones they are very useful when put in the right place but it is important to discuss them as they are very important to the key, and if they are used in the wrong place it can be quite bad for the song.

Well it’s pretty easy to know when they sound bad. In fact, the church didn’t even like when they sounded good in 1400s so much that that banned tritones and said that when played, tritones released demons. However back then, not many people were educated on music, and they only dealt primarily with modes. Now, you can just go to a piano or keybord, play F-B, then E-C really easily.

yes but I find a lot of music is structured around tritones although it does not often use them. And if you have a musical idea, you should know where they are so you don’t go lets play they three inversions of the I chord and end on an II chord (in a minor scale) because that would sound bad, and you wouldn’t notice right away.

This Is the Music theory thread… We can talk about Tritones if we want to…

On the tonal day of Christmas my true love gave to me
6 perfect fifths
5 major seconds
4 minor thirds
3 major thirds
2 minor seconds
and a tritone in any natural major/minor scale
(also there are other intervals but those are just the top note on bottom)

coughmusicgeekscough