The Critisism Thread

Octo:
When you said something about random notes…your right…thats one thing i have ALOT of trouble with: creating decent melodies <.<

Whitefang: Recaptured
Good Feedback:
-The drums really suit the song.
-Great Strat riff.
-Epic build-up.

Critisism:
-Strat riff could be louder.
-It was a tad repetative.

Suggestions:
-Before the last 2 or 3 sheets, you could make a build up with the crash/cymbals
-Use a breakdown or buildup to add more instruments, change the flow (eg. an escape) or perhaps change the riff/beat around if you don’t want it to change too much.

Kamarai: Heaven
Its good for an intro, but you could improve it a little more…i’d love to see the rest of it though!
Good Feedback:
-Loved the bit at the end.
-Nice build-up.
-The bass guitars were used effectively.

Critisism:
-The gap?
-The vox melody is quite repetative.

Suggestions:
-It could use a vox or chior halfway in between the other ones at the start or during the build up.
-Maybe add a slight variety withing the bass or add another bass that slowly builds up to the more complex/deep part of the song.

Now…i’m not on my usual computer as i’m on holiday…so i don’t have any of my songs…but…Muselline and I have just finished our newest song
Final Discovery:

bump
(Read post above)

[a.k.a. shameless self promotion]

yay

Anyway,

Pros: -Catchy intro
-Awesome, unique instrument choice
-Sheet 7 & 8, loved it

Cons: -The first two sheets of the intro, sounded iffy
-Drums are slightly awkward. Although the whole song is to me [in an awesome way], the drums just… did not want.

Using teh uber octo methud, I rate dis gud shizz…

4.5/5 [Extra .5 for uniqueness]

fuck I have my dreamscape done, share bug >

No, i really like this thread, it can help improve people’s skills as a song maker…so i bumped it after it was inactive for over a month

Don’t get me wrong, I’m not complaining about your shameless self promotion. I actually think it’s a great idea.

It was pretty repetitive, but I don’t mind (much), since the main melody was awesome. +3 points
I didnt like the strings though, the notes went by too fast for the strings to sound all that great. -.2
Great drum solo. +1
After the strings, I think you need something to change it up… it seemed like you only stayed with that main melody… -.1
Great effects +1


= 4.7/5.0

Octo
Good:
Impressive piece
Loved the Drum solo

Bad:
Transitions for Sheets 25 and 31 didn’t seem to fit in too well…
Tad repetitive

Suggestions:
Its already been said, change it up a bit :mrgreen:
If you did it right…you could make an excellent intro (like before the start in the posted piece)

Heres my new song
Falling

…and yes the end resembles…uhh…landing…

Alright, Q, about your song. I liked most of it, however, the solo didn’t seem right for some reason, and the “Humps” were more annoying than I would have liked. It still sounded good, though. 4.4.

Ahem:

Excuse me but I don’t care about the speed of a particular song. However, this song had the exact problem I stated in Anthony’s “The Ocean” (go to the front page and look up his song, my review is still there), however in reverse. Anthony’s song was far too fast for the ambiance and as a result it was far too short. Yours in contrast seems to have been slowed down to make it too long, and repetitiveness was a key factor in me saying it was an uninteresting song.

As I said, sheet 11 sounded AMAZING at 180 bpm. I’m sorry but when I find that I can DOUBLE the speed without making the song sound like random mush, it’s too slow. Now, I don’t mean to say that it’s speed should be doubled, but it shouldn’t be so low.

Yes the transition probably took a long time to make and as a result, it and every sheet after it sounds absolutely stunning. It’s a shame that the transition didn’t come in near the halfway point or even as the introduction, maybe then the song could have been EPIC. I mean, look at sheet 11! it’s so well put together, and it seems like all the effort was put into it to make it sound incredible, however it hugely overshadows the rest of the song and begs the question, why is it in this song? Transitions do not make a song, and while they are incredibly important to get right, even more important is that you get the song right first.

Last point: The 3.8 thing. You are obviously thinking on a scale of 1-5, whereas my scale is completely different. I personally believe that no one deserves a 5 star rating no matter how good the song is. It’s why I always end my reviews saying “I voted a 4.” I think that the highest point I can give to a person for a song is 4.5. I say that anything that has a 4 in front of it will be incredible, and anything 3.5< is still worthy of mention. 3.5 and lower are my terms of average. 3.8 is a great rating, not insanely epic but well above average. And I don’t like giving a review and then saying an ovbious number like 4 or 3.5, so even if I think the song is worth a 4, I would say something like 4.000001 or something just to be cheeky.

NOW STOP MAKING ME POST, I WANT TO DO SOMETHING FUN FOR MY 1000TH POST AND YOU GUYS ARE SCREWING ME OVER.

please give feedback! thanks! :mrgreen:

http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/EightPointEight

A 8.8 is a 4.4. Starwars NEVER GIVES A SONG that.

To the average person, a 4.4 is a bad game/song. To Starwars, A 4.4 is amazing.

While he finds a 5 to be what you consider “perfect”, most of us just say that means it was good.

Would you rather Star tell you that your song was perfect and deserved a 5/5? It’s not perfect (no song is) so that would be lying. At least he gave you critisism of what he thought could improve the song and make it better. Good ratings make you less likely to get better at song-writing because you think it doesn’t really need to be improved much, while bad ratings provide motivation and inspiration.

You have to review the three songs behind you to receive critisism. :slight_smile:

Okay sorry about that, maybe I should read directions more often. Well anyways onto the songs

FInal Discovery- Right off the bat I could tell my favorite part of this song were the drums. They really added a cool sound to the song, also the piano interlude/solo was very nice. Overall a very good song.
However, one small slice of critisism I could offer is that the mood of the song was hard to pick out and the intro seemed to drag on just a little bit. Otherwise Outstanding! You guys work well together 4.2/5

Dreamworks- I felt the song actually felt 10beats fast or so. It was really great though, and one of the few songs I could call “one of a kind”. 4.4/5

Falling- I’m sure you’ve heard this before but your biggest strength in my opinion is drums and I didn’t like that the drums were sort’ve repeptitive in this song. I also though the solo began to get long on some parts and that the background didn’t compliment it. However, everything up to the solo really had a cool sound so my final rating is 3.9/5

Overall great songs and once again sorry for not being observant enough to read directions.

-Pikminman44-

Oh jeez, uh… the song, as for you know, newbie’s [if I could call you that] was actually pretty good. Obviously, compared to others, not the best, but much better a selective few.

The song itself, seemed-- okay-- the only thing was that it was clearly random at some points. However, that randomness had potential as in “Oh gee I should make a cool song out of that”. But, throughout the song, I really couldn’t see anything great from the randomness except for a few moments. And when I say few, I mean few.

3.7/5


-QVX797-

Huge disappointment on your drumming, it was repeating the same thing nearly throughout the song, not to mention it really wasn’t TOO great. As usually, your Achilles’ Heel is showing, your riffs [and solos]. Always random. That doesn’t mean there were a couple of nice sounding parts.

3.4/5

My turn for the rock throwing.

No need to be that sorry. Thanks though!
About your song … yeah the notes in your song seemed a little random. Unless you were using some odd Gypsy scale or something, using some scales and stuff should help make the notes sound better together. Also the structure of the song seemed a bit random…usually songs have a kind of main riff or chorus or something but yours kinda didn’t and dragged on a little. Other than that the song was great, like the rhythm and the drums and stuff.

Octo … Your songs was great. The drumming was really, really god (typo but I’ll leave it like that). The only problem is that it was like really repetitive. Although the parts were all a bit different I still could pick the same stuffs.

Creation of a Titan 4.1/5

Repetitive but I liked the main tune, and surprised on how well it sounded seeing some of the note clutters. Guitar solo was a little out of place. Outro was a little out of place as well.

Unstoppable 3.5/5

Not to much to offer, Octo nailed exactly what I was going to say.

Falling 3.9/5

Seemed to be lacking something, not sure what. Sheet 15’s higher green synth came out of nowhere. Drums had so much potential, 32-36 sounded off with the humps. Also lack of fills is disturbing.

Here is my song

Some history of the song: Was made during one of the infamous share bugs of 2010, I was just messing around and found a cool techno bass part (The beginning) Added some quite synth (Wish I could go back and make it higher) and just went from there.

I really wanted to add a very odd style of drumming, contradicting how my drums usually are, this really shows in sheet 3 and 12, However as the song progressed I unknowingly went into 3/4 timing and the transition back to 4/4 just killed me so that I wish I could work on.

This song actually was made in an unusual way, each part was composed separately and then I pieced them together.

Im sorry Sandalman, but to me that sounded pretty wack.

Far starters, your synth bass is very repetitive, and that instrument is hard make sound right. It didn’t blend very well, and fought with the rest of your instruments.
The drums, ugh, Im sorry sandal but your drums were horrendous :mrgreen:
They were fighting for power the entire time, and were very annoying. Especially your bass drum, very annoying, I’m guessing your going for the “techno drum sorta random” sorta thing. IMO you failed, horribly. (Actually thats how, In your mind’s drums were like… but that was done just right… this on the other hand o_0)

I think you should have named this song “battleground” because all your instruments seem to be fighting for attention instead of working together.

I give it a 3.7/5 <---- +.2 just because this song has potential… maybe

Kamarai…WRONG.

The song was not repetitive as far as I can see, because repetitiveness comes from having the song feel longer than it actually is, making you anticipate an awesome change that you can’t wait for. To achieve repetitiveness the song, in short, has to be so boring it makes you want to skip ahead to the cool part (I.E. Suffering. Speaking of which, I think Whitefang allowed Muse’s uncanny love of the song get to his head).

The drumming was great, all except for the bass #2, which alone doesn’t ruin the drumming, especially when it is not playing. My only critique is that sheet 12 would have been so great if the snare had been every off beat and not every beat.

The Synth Bass is not too hard to get, it can sound great both high and low. The only thing you need to be careful of is using it high, because it will sound like you are copying off of On the Moon (such as in Fishrocker’s The Search for the Lost Striped Shirt I think). In fact I think we have a new combo, because the synth bass sounds amazing with the green synth.

I do have a few problems with the song. Synthesizer #3 is too quiet for some parts of the song. Such as sheet 3. And of course sheet 3 shouldn’t be the chorus. It doesn’t have enough energy. The ending is a bit sudden, the intro is too progressive for my liking. Sheet 4 sounds like a pirate shanty or something in slow motion. But they are all over shadowed by the part i like best about this song:

Wait for it…TEMPO CHANGES. This song has them and most don’t. It’s amazing that a song this slow doesn’t become repetitive quick. These had a huge part, and it all culminates in the sheet 8-13-8-14 etc progression. The hiccupy drumming here is perfect, I just love how it seems to speed up and slow down so constantly. Great.

To be honest, tempo changes do not make a song and they really shouldn’t be a major critique point. This song doesn’t boast much, just some odd drumming, a nice synthesizer, and a great combo for the bass. And I think that’s fine. It’s a nice, nice slow, humble song that just feels…right. I won’t give it a 4 (though I certainly will vote it that), but I think it deserves a solid 3.7/5. If I could change anything, I would change out that bass #2 (for probably #5 or #3), take the on beat snares out of sheet 12, and make the synthesizer #3 a little louder in the earlier sheets.

Also I must critique the critics some. Look at my signature. It talks to the song writer who receives critique. It tells them that just because someone was willing to write a paragraph about your song instead of a sentence, your song is great. PERIOD. That doesn’t apply as much in this thread, where the writers are actually asking for critique, but my words still hold true. Just because you are critiquing a song does not give you the right to ravage it unless the song was made with no apparent effort. Always try to look for the good in a song you think is bad before writing a whole paragraph about how the song should have never existed. remember, you are just a listener, you did not use an overly high amount of effort to listen to the song. The writer may have spent a week or more making the song. This puts you as being under the original writer when you critique the song. At the very least you should give him/her the consideration that they spent a good amount of time and effort making the song for FREE before writing. If you are going to critique, please do it right.

EDIT: Oh haha. I gave the exact same rating. But for Sandalman, remember that when Kamarai said it as a bad rating (he even gave you TWO points for potential…something that doesn’t exist), I give it as an above average type rating.