QVX 797's Song Thread <<NEW: Home Stretch>>

Octomarine · December 26, 2010, 1:01am

ixsetf:

QVX… The Notessimo community is not very good… we all can compose songs, but we do not like each other, but this is not as important as the fact that you have something to gain from this, and that you have the talent required to become a professional drummer in a band. You also can learn it’s not so hard as it seems, but a little music theory is important.

Notessimo can be something to do when you are bored but if you want them to be good I can teach you the theory of making songs.

first choose your key.

You can find a list of the basic keys on wikipedia

The next step is choosing your chords

The basic chords can be written as numbers.

for a major scale

1 = major
2 = minor
3 = major
4 = minor
5 = major
6 = minor
7 = diminished

In the minor key it is different

1 = minor
2 = diminished
3 = major
4 = minor
5 = major
6 = minor
7 = major

Major = Strong, happy ect.
Minor = Weak, sad ect
diminished = Bad sounding, dark, angry ect.

I can give you the lists for the other scales but only if you will stay

then it is as easy as choosing numbers between 1 and 3.

1 represents the root note of the chord 2 the middle note, and three the top.

I can write alot of my riffs this way, like the one from the beginning on Vultus Amoveo

1(31213121) 7(31213121) 5(31213121) 3(31213121)

use this form and then your riffs will improve.
As you become skilled with it move to a more free style.

Well fuck.

guitarskills · December 26, 2010, 1:07am

…Is there some sort of conspiracy theory I don’t know about? We mess with each other, but I don’t see any hating unless if something unnerving is said.

Nuselline · December 26, 2010, 1:17am

You obviously haven’t seen ix’s longest post.

that was amazing Roast/DD12 I find that by your use of complex instrument combos and by your innovative and clean sounding rhythms, as well as your crossing between genres, with that first riff being almost a sea shanty, and your transitions into metal you were able to create a interesting and well polished product. I don’t know why star mentioned the drums they were very good in my opinion, and actually added alot to the song, I say 5/5.
Also if its a competition of who has the longest reply:
here is some info about ionic conductivity as an inspiration for lyrics or something
Ionic Conductivity
In this lab, the conductivity of certain substances were tested to assist in classifying a substance as either a ion, or not an ion.
HYPOTHESIS
By applying a conductivity tester to the substances, water, sugar, saline, KNO3, HCL, Vinegar, Powerade, and NaHCO3 only those substances that contained both a metal and a nonmetal (Saline, KNO3, HCL, Vinegar, and NaHCO3) would show conductivity.
Materials
Conductivity Tester
Well Plate
Solutions
METHOD
The Well plate was filled with a different substance in each well along the row, with a second row filled with the diluted versions of the same substances. In this lab, data was obtained through use of a conductivity tester, so information was found via the state of the light on the tester, off being not conductive, and on being conductive.
DATA
The data shows that when conductivity was measured only water and sucrose did not conduct electricity. Figure 1 displays this data in a table format.
Well Substance Pure Substance Diluted Substance
1 H2O No No
2 Sucrose No No
3 Saline Conductive Conductive
4 KNO3 Conductive Conductive
5 HCl Conductive Conductive
6 Vinegar Conductive Conductive
7 Powerade Conductive Conductive
8 NaHCO3 Conductive Conductive
Figure 1
Note this is my Chemistry lab for Mrs. Cody if she somehow checks turnitin.com and says I plagerized
CONCLUSION
The hypothesized conductivity of the substances was closely matched by the results of the lab. the substances that did not show conductivity included the water and sucrose solutions. Although the data matched closely, it did not exactly match the hypothesis. The only variation was in the result of Powerade, which was found to be conductive. The reason for this is that Powerade contains electrolytes, which is conductive of electricity. These too are ions, something that would not be predicted from common cense. As, humans do not usually consume salts. The conductivity of these substances are very important to the use of them scientifically. They, as predicted all are or contain ions, which re-affirms the belief that ions are conductive, and that is the similarity between the substances.
EDIT:
I realized my word count was still lower than stars even with this added, so here is more
Virtues
In a perfect society a person should have certain virtues such that they can create the type of world that will prosper. I believe that the best three virtues for a perfect human arecourage and fortitude, self control, and trustworthiness. Having these virtues, a person can construct a society and maintain it with excellence. Each of these characteristics helps with the creation of this perfect society in a different way.
A person with courage or fortitude would be able to build constructions, research medicines and energy, and be heroic when needed and face the difficulties of their lives with great vigor, being more productive and providing physical and economic security. In a society in which each person had fortitude or courage then every person would do what is best for the group. It has been proven that in societies that have a higher value of courage, greater effort is put into their work and that they produce more goods. One such society was the Mayan empire, which greatly valued courage. This empire reined 3,000 years, over 10 times as long as the United States, and was very profitable in its ventures.
Self-control is another important virtue, which is necessary in a perfect society. Self-control prevents fights, promotes better relationships, and lowers crime rates according to Science Daily Journal. Any person who wishes to control others must have self-control. This has been well supported in history by the famous leader Julius Caesar. He was well known for his self-control, and for his ability to lead. A society with better self-control would have better leaders, leaders that could pass better legislation and strengthen military, economic, and maintenance procedures. This would strengthen a nation and its citizens, creating better unity, and lengthening the nation’s rein. As much as Julius Caesar was known for his self-control, he was as much known for his trustworthiness.
Trustworthiness is an extremely powerful characteristic for a person to posses. It allows the people who posses it to more efficiently carry out tasks where a person is trusted with a secret that must be guarded. While this is important, it is not the only application where trustworthiness helps. There are many more. One of these is reduced crime from embezzlement. 90% of experts agree embezzlement increases when a person is not as trustworthy. A society free from embezzlement would mean a prosperous economy, and better quality of living that would produce a more profitable society in general.
These characteristics embodied in a person would produce the best seed for a new civilization. These seeds are important to our new civilization and I believe should be used. When these traits are used a perfect society is created, a society with higher production of goods, strong leaders and a general better quality of living that would make the society better and better.

Also QVX … ix’s method is a bit mathematical … I would suggest just listening to music a lot, playing an instrument would help, singing would help (even just humming scales), whenever a tune comes to head keep repeating it, and a brief look at guidelines from theory. The melodies in Golden Sands and the unfinished song cough just came naturally to me, maybe because I’ve been playing/learning music from a young age, or that’s just who I am … but theory might suit you … I don’t know just try different things.

I don’t not like you ix, we argue a lot but arguing is fun

Karo · December 26, 2010, 2:49am

ixsetf · December 26, 2010, 3:13am

No you sir are the angry one here, good day. storms off to edit his massive post so it can become the ULTRA POST OF DEATH and DESTROY all ENEMIES!

QVX_797 · December 26, 2010, 8:11am

Karo, when i posted that comment, it was the 26th here.

It’s funny cause i do all of those things

Sadly…that took a while for me to get.

Well, also since i am going on exchange next year, it would be better for me to at least have a… relatively large break (half a year) and that should also give me time to be inspired and…well learn more about melodies
I am yet to decide how active i’ll be in the forums though while i am not composing however people.posted

guitarskills · December 26, 2010, 8:54pm

I don’t think there’s a single person here that doesn’t do all of those (minus singing)

QVX_797 · December 29, 2010, 3:35pm

2 things,

No matter who tries to help it seems i just can’t pick it up
although there is one member who is helping me right now and i am slowly getting the basics…i could say who but that would give away who one of my collabs are with
In case no-one knows, i wasn’t taught ANY music AT ALL, so i don’t know what a major/minor key is, i don’t know how to…do anything that involves constructing a tune or melody…and whenever i keep searching for things, it always assumes that you know what arpeggios and diminished notes and are etc…gawd i feel stupid -.-…
New song…
Its like a new…adventure RPG kinda thing…
Note: QVX 797 was definitely high when composing this…ugh…song…you have been warned…
Endless (Part 1)

coolplay · December 29, 2010, 4:38pm

Its the same with me,I don’t really know how to make a melody I just mess around on my keyboard until something comes up.
So this is my first attempt at trying to make an original song.Its some of kind short theme

I am sorry for putting for putting this in your thread QVX(I forgot that this was your thread)

Nuselline · December 29, 2010, 4:47pm

Get a book or something … I have a few great music books.

That was good! A little repetitive though, but still it was good.

That was also good! You should try to make it longer.

Kamarai1 · December 29, 2010, 5:39pm

I think what you have a problem with mainly is using the same note length, OVER AND OVER.
If you change that up, and experiment with different note lengths.
Thats what I do, I experiment until i find something cool, use it, and then if it gets to where i don’t like it, scrap it!

To succeed you first must fail, and you must fail, many, many, MANY times.

There is my other 2 cents

^That was my problem with the song. Lack of note lengths and lots of repetitiveness.
You can have something completely new on a verse, start from scratch, don’t just keep on copy and pasting.
The difference between your songs and the good songs, is they have a change, or even are constantly changing.

Also I wasn’t taught any of this, and I haven’t even looked at anything really. I just listen to other good songs, and experiment with things that have been done.
I didn’t know what an arpeggio was, and I knew there was major and minor keys, but I didn’t know what the heck they were
If you were to find one of my earlier songs, like the “damant journey” part… ya you could tell

I hope you take this heart and use it to make you better!

QVX_797 · December 30, 2010, 1:10am

Then it would be extremely repetative, lol, part 2 will be a cave like theme…and maybe the last part will be like the first…only revisited.
Oh, and thats ok, besides it sounded awesome…totally worth listening to (you have to finish it XD)

I will definitely keep that in mind, thank you

Nuselline · December 30, 2010, 1:54am

Well a music shop would have them … but so would a bookshop or library or even you could order one online or just download a free one.
But just continue getting help from that person who’s helping you … getting taught is the best way. (It’s ix, isn’t it?)

Just try new patterns or anything for your song … experimentation.

Octomarine · December 30, 2010, 2:01am

First things first, good song.

Now, I wasn’t taught keys either; but just wondering how old are you?
I learned all I know about music at Advanced & Jazz band. [In 7th grade as of now.]

What I did was learn it slowly. You skipped the stage to know the three basic major/minor keys. [IMO the first three keys in major and minor respectively.] But never mind that as I did the same, so I was at the point to making melodies and such. First I learned keys, then arpeggios, then note lengths, and then random music stuff after.

Don’t complicate melodies, riffs, and arpeggios, diminished, etc…
It really is just what makes up the song. Use analogies or lists if you need to.
Ex.) Basic Song: Intro > Chorus > Verse > Chorus[2] > Verse[2] > Chorus[3] > End (The [#] shows a different rendition.)

Just make melodies, beats, and riffs and your set. You need to arrange and edit them in the form of choruses, verses, etc…

Oh, and if creativity is a low, make the riff or melody slightly different.
Ex.) Carol of the Bells: 1.] Bb, A, Bb, G | 2.] G, F#, G, E

Intros can be one or more instrument playing, it should show the beginning mood.
Endings can be also one or more instruments playing but it should be the climax or the remake of an intro.

Also, I’ll work on our collab tomorrow, busy with school. [High School course in 7th grade? Gasp.]
:3

QVX_797 · December 30, 2010, 2:10pm

Octoviator:

QVX797:

No matter who tries to help it seems i just can’t pick it up
although there is one member who is helping me right now and i am slowly getting the basics…i could say who but that would give away who one of my collabs are with
In case no-one knows, i wasn’t taught ANY music AT ALL, so i don’t know what a major/minor key is, i don’t know how to…do anything that involves constructing a tune or melody…and whenever i keep searching for things, it always assumes that you know what arpeggios and diminished notes and are etc…gawd i feel stupid -.-…

First things first, good song.

Now, I wasn’t taught keys either; but just wondering how old are you?
I learned all I know about music at Advanced & Jazz band. [In 7th grade as of now.]

What I did was learn it slowly. You skipped the stage to know the three basic major/minor keys. [IMO the first three keys in major and minor respectively.] But never mind that as I did the same, so I was at the point to making melodies and such. First I learned keys, then arpeggios, then note lengths, and then random music stuff after.

Don’t complicate melodies, riffs, and arpeggios, diminished, etc…
It really is just what makes up the song. Use analogies or lists if you need to.
Ex.) Basic Song: Intro > Chorus > Verse > Chorus[2] > Verse[2] > Chorus[3] > End (The [#] shows a different rendition.)

Just make melodies, beats, and riffs and your set. You need to arrange and edit them in the form of choruses, verses, etc…

Oh, and if creativity is a low, make the riff or melody slightly different.
Ex.) Carol of the Bells: 1.] Bb, A, Bb, G | 2.] G, F#, G, E
Thats all i do XD

Intros can be one or more instrument playing, it should show the beginning mood.
Endings can be also one or more instruments playing but it should be the climax or the remake of an intro.

Also, I’ll work on our collab tomorrow, busy with school. [High School course in 7th grade? Gasp.]
:3

Well i guess that makes me older than you…i’m 15 <.<
Theres not really much to offer (music-related) around where i live…

Yeah it is the best way.
See ix is also but he is starting too complex :3…
it starts with S and they’re not a moderator

Nuselline · December 30, 2010, 2:59pm

Scourge?

QVX_797 · December 30, 2010, 3:21pm

Well that ruined my fun
XD

So…umm…i’m trying something new…and making a much more in depth song…
Technicality
Maybe you could be able to add or apply an example to the song to help me understand some things better…or just provide feedback with or without relation to what i have recently been told about.

It kinda sounds like a song Karo would make XD

Nuselline · December 30, 2010, 4:33pm

Well firstly, about the first melody, the Db is a little obtrusive, it doesn’t really fit in (be careful not to make the melodies too complicated by adding in accidentals (notes that aren’t from the scale)).
It was a great melody though. Also instead of having the original melody (x2) and then changing it a bit (x2), you could have just had the original, then the changed, then the original, then the changed. Confusing?
Also sorry to say but measures 4+5 did not work at all. What scale are you using? All I can see are Db’s which don’t belong to any scale on their own.

I liked the bit at the end, too, that was good.

QVX_797 · December 31, 2010, 12:58am

I originally had sheets 2 and 3 in there…so it was a build up…it dragged on too long though so i took 2 and 3 out…
With the original, changed, original, changed thing it didn’t really work…
Also the Db at the start…was kinda an accident XD
Edit: Oh (in relation to bars 4+5)…yeah i got a bit mixed up at the start…i originally started with a few flats but then i changed it after (it then copied over…)…and since the other part was already done i forgot about it…whoops…

Fixed:
Technicality

Nuselline · December 31, 2010, 2:52am

There’s a lot of unpleasantness still in 4+5.

Take the first measure for example.

Your long notes in the bass are F, but the melody begins with E.
The interval between them is a second. Seconds are always kind of unpleasant, especially when you have them for as long as you did.
For the bass, I would have chosen an E, to match up with the melody’s E.

In the second measure, you did the opposite, the melody was playing an F, the bass was playing an E.
Again I would change the bass to an F to match up with the melody’s F.

Just wondering, did you use chords? Because they help a lot to make everything match up.